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Introducing the World Tournament Series finalists

6:18 pm, November 21, 2014 On December 5, the top four PvP teams in GuildWars2 will go head-to-head at the World Tournament Series Championship event in Beijing, China, all vying for the lion’s share of the $50,000 pr [..] View

Announcing Improvements to PvP and the Ladder Test Season

6:18 pm, November 19, 2014 Hello, Tyrians! We’re very pleased to announce that on December 2 we will be releasing some major updates to PvP that will enhance and improve a number of areas of the PvP experience. Matc [..] View

Jungle Explorer Outfit, Pact Fleet Weapons, and Regional Tournament Finishers in the Gem Store!

6:18 pm, November 18, 2014 The Silverwastes may be a tangle, but with our new Jungle Explorer Outfit and Pact Fleet Weapons, the Black Lion Trading Company has everything you need to clear a path in style! And let&#8217 [..] View

The ESL Go4GuildWars2 Cups Are Heating Up

6:18 pm, November 14, 2014 If I had to sum up November’s ESL Go4GuildWars2 Cups in a few words, I’d describe it as entirely unexpected. The November Cup isn’t even half over, and yet we’v [..] View

Tempest Weapons and World vs. World Support Pack in the GemStore!

7:18 pm, September 30, 2014 Whether youre looking for a little extra support in your World vs. World endeavors or trying to show off your fashion sensibilities with a new set of weapons, the Black Lion Trading Company is her [..] View

Tournament of Glory Qualifiers Update

7:18 pm, September 19, 2014 After battling through a harrowing bracket last weekend, the first four of eight North American teams have qualified for the Tournament of Glory Finals! If qualifying teams meet eligibility requiremen [..] View

A Fresh Start: The New Player Experience in GuildWars2

7:18 pm, August 28, 2014 Hey, folks, As we continue to grow Guild Wars 2 and plan our next steps for the future of the game, its important we have a solid foundation for all the new players we plan to welcom [..] View

September 2014 Feature Pack: Improvements Galore

7:18 pm, August 26, 2014 Hello, everybody, Im Isaiah Cartwright, the lead game designer on Guild Wars 2. Im going to be introducing you to three of the changes to Guild Wars 2 coming up in [..] View

Announcing the GuildWars2 World Tournament Series

7:18 pm, August 13, 2014 The Guild Wars 2 team, along with Kong Zhong, our publishing partner in China, is proud to announce the Guild Wars 2 World Tournament Series, an international compe [..] View

Quality in GW2?

7:18 pm, July 28, 2014 I was reading posts on the usual Trahearn-hate threads, and one person said "Quality is relative."  So I thought, what is good quality in an MMO; and where does GW2 lie in [..] View

Basic Lumber Node Pack in the Gem Store!

7:18 pm, July 22, 2014 This week the Black Lion Trading Company is proud to announce that were expanding our home instance gathering selection! Were adding in a bundle that will put three gathering trees into your home [..] View

Your Vote Decides the GuildWars2 International All-StarsTeams!

7:18 pm, July 10, 2014 Hello Tyria, Joshua “Grouch” Davis here, Competitive Events Manager at ArenaNet. Its my privilege to announce that at this years gamescom, well be partnering with our friends at [..] View

Getting tired of berserker

7:18 am, July 9, 2014 Okay so, if you run Berserker armour and so on that's fine, I understand it's uses and if you want to run it in your build, that's great. One thing I am getting tired of though is people are always d [..] View

Additional Crafting License, Mystical Dragon Finisher, and More in the Gem Store!

7:18 am, June 4, 2014 Its a busy week here at the Black Lion Trading Company! From a license to allow you to learn an additional crafting profession on each character to an eye-catching new finisher and returning minia [..] View

Phoenix Weapons, New Faces, and More in the GemStore!

7:18 am, May 21, 2014 Its an exciting week for the Black Lion Trading Company! Weve got a brand-new set of weapon skins, new faces in Total Makeover Kits, an adorable Mini Piglet, the return of the Bazaar Quaggan Mini [..] View

Tournament of LegendsUpdate

3:16 pm, April 19, 2014 Thank you all for such an overwhelming turnout to the Tournament of Legends! Weve seen well over 200 teams register to battle it out for their chance at a legendary weapon! Because the community came [..] View

Free Transmutation Charges, New Armors, and More in the GemStore!

3:16 am, April 16, 2014 [commerce_intro] We here at the Black Lion Trading Company have been busy preparing to bring some exciting inventory changes online. Were proud to present you with three brand-new armor skins, five f [..] View

Introducing the new DrumInstrument!

9:16 pm, April 9, 2014 Hi Guild Wars 2 music fans! Im Aaron McLeran, the audio programmer here at ArenaNet. Im here to tell you a little bit about the new drum instrument thats available now from the Black [..] View

New Drum instrument and Avian Minis in the Gem Store!

9:16 pm, April 8, 2014 Im proud to present you with this weeks newest offerings from the Black Lion Trading Company! Were bringing you three beautiful miniature birds for your collection and a drum that will revolutioni [..] View

Announcing the GuildWars2 Tournament of Legends

9:16 pm, April 1, 2014 Greetings fellow Tyrians! Allie Murdock here; Community Coordinator at ArenaNet. Im excited to announce our first GuildWars2 Tournament of Legends on April 26-27 for Europe and May 3-4 for North Ameri [..] View

Introducing the WardrobeSystem

2:16 pm, March 25, 2014 One of the many exciting features coming in the April 2014 Feature Pack is the new Wardrobe, an account-wide system that allows you to collect every skin in the game! Account Wardrobe: The Basics [..] View

Runes, Sigils, and BalanceUpdates

8:16 pm, March 21, 2014 Yesterday we introduced you to some of the upcoming changes to the traits system. Those changes, while exciting, are just one part of the balance updates bundled into the April 2014 Feature Pack! Toda [..] View

Traits Unleashed: Forty New Traits and More!

2:16 pm, March 20, 2014 Hello there! I’m Roy Cronacher, and as a game designer for ArenaNet, I’m excited to tell you about upcoming changes to the trait system. These changes focus on improving the ease o [..] View

Why don't people like Activities?

8:16 am, March 19, 2014 Over the past month or so, I've spent a lot of time playing Sanctum Sprint, making an effort on my own part to see how fast I can finish the race.  In that time, I've witnessed a lot [..] View

New Hair Styles, Minis, and More in the Gem Store!

8:16 pm, March 18, 2014 Congratulations, heroes, weve freed Lions Arch! Celebrate in style with new hair styles, adorable new miniatures, increased Collection stacks, and discounts! New Hair Styles in Ma [..] View

Just something I noticed

8:16 am, March 7, 2014 So Arena Net said that they would be addressing the issue of condition builds being completely outclassed by direct damage builds in all forms of content. Now they have released a patch featuring thr [..] View

Whaaaat? No karma? Heeeere

8:16 pm, February 17, 2014 Since the dissolution of karma in dungeons, there are now only three places in which to seriously gain karma: 1. Tequatl 2. lower-level fractals (I think 10 levels below your personal reward yields m [..] View

New CDI, Community Voting for Top 3 Professions Needing Help

2:16 am, February 13, 2014 https://forum-en.gui...velopment/first QuoteHey everyone, For our upcoming CDI projects, we would like to collect your ideas for professions that need balancing. Since there are 8 professions, we wo [..] View

What would the ideal level cap be in your opinion?

2:16 pm, January 30, 2014 The criteria for a natural level after 10 is expressed; you gain one stat point, some statistical points, and one trait point each level with no special rules. You can answer the question in three way [..] View

Upcoming Guild Wars 2 PvP Community Tournament Events

8:16 pm, January 23, 2014 Looking to satiate your competitive urges? Weve got you covered. Whether you want to watch some high-level gameplay or jump into the action yourself, weve got Guild Wars 2 tournament [..] View

Release Notes for the Origins of Madness

8:16 pm, January 21, 2014 Are you ready to defend Tyria against its two newest threats? Fight against Scarlets massed armies and the Twisted Marionette in Lornars Pass or put your skills of coordination and tactics to the ulti [..] View

Job-o-Trons Journey: TheEvolution of a Gag

2:16 am, December 19, 2013 Writing for Guild Wars 2 is a hugely collaborative effort, and at times that collaboration transcends the sum of its parts. Sometimes a character takes on a life of its own and we, t [..] View

Announcing the Holiday Gifting Event!

8:16 am, December 11, 2013 The Black Lion Trading Company has a variety of items that can be gifted everything from armor skins to dye packs to kites can be bundled up and sent to your friends or guildmates at no extra cost fo [..] View

Release Notes for A Very Merry Wintersday

2:16 am, December 11, 2013 Although the nights are long and dark, folks all over Tyria are in good cheer Wintersday has begun! Snowball fights, festive activities, and (best of all!) toys all help to keep joy alive through the [..] View

New Faces and More in the Gem Store!

2:16 am, December 11, 2013 Wintersday is here! To celebrate, the Black Lion Trading Company is proud to present new festive and functional items! Read on to learn more about our updates to the Total Makeover Kit, the new Co [..] View

Ascended Armor Design

8:16 pm, December 10, 2013 There you go: http://dulfy.net/201...-armor-gallery/ In MY opinion it looks terrible. At the first glance I was like "What? There are three heavy armor variants?" Considering how much it mo [..] View

Sizzling New Armors in the Gem Store

2:16 am, November 27, 2013 If youre looking for something to spice up your wardrobe look no further! This week, the Black Lion Trading Company is proud to present three armor skins that will totally revamp your look. Read [..] View

Release Notes for Fractured

2:16 am, November 27, 2013 Ellen Kiel has done it! After being supported by players in her bid for a seat on the Captains Council of Lions Arch, Kiel has made good on her campaign promises specifically, the promise to head up [..] View

Observations on leveling

1:39 pm, November 23, 2013 Having leveled two characters to 80, I have the following observations and opinions: - The time it takes to get from 1 to 80 is suitable, but the first 40 levels can feel really slow while the last 1 [..] View

Upcoming Changes for the Fractals of the Mists

8:16 pm, November 19, 2013 With the release of Fractals, were making several exciting additions and changes to the Fractals of the Mists infinite dungeon. Heres a brief overview of the changes you can expect! Changes to Fracta [..] View

A map, and expansion theorizing

8:16 am, November 18, 2013 So at this stage I'm mostly just the guy who wrote that lore summary once and drops by like once every year to contribute something, probably half-finished, and then leaves because Guild Wars 2 just h [..] View

World vs. World: MidseasonReport

2:16 am, November 12, 2013 For the past three weeks, the first World vs. World season has been packed with intense battles for power and dominance. North American and European worlds have been divided up into three leagues apie [..] View

Release Notes for TowerofNightmares

8:16 pm, October 29, 2013 Marjory Delaqua and Kasmeer Meade have found a way to pierce the veil protecting the krait in Kessex Hills! When the illusion falls, brave heroes need to be nearby to deal with the kraitand whatever i [..] View

New Armors and More Available in the Gem Store!

8:16 pm, October 29, 2013 Halloween is nearing, and the Black Lion Trading Company has everything you need to celebrate in style. But dont just dress your best on Halloween! Weve got new armors and weapons that will change [..] View

DDE and CE Items in 8/21 Stress Test

6:14 am, October 19, 2013 I'm just wondering if it was mine, or a thing in general.  I only received the Hero's Band, even though I have prepurchased the CE from Gamestop.  Did anyone else w [..] View

Starting Today: World vs. World Season 1!

9:16 pm, October 18, 2013 It’s almost time for the inaugural World vs. World Season! Tonight, when the weekly WvW matchups reset, the season will officially begin. European and North American servers will be broken [..] View

Can I Still Run It?

4:14 am, October 18, 2013 Since this morning and the new client update, whenever I open up the client, it says "Guild Wars 2 has encountered an error" and that my computer does not meet the minimum specs required des [..] View

ArenaNet clamps down on open speech

9:16 pm, October 17, 2013 A post has been put out by Martin Kerstein, Global Community Manager of ArenaNet. I want to take a moment to give you an update on how we will enforce part of our forum Code of Conduct in the future. [..] View

Idea for 5+ Player Dungeon(s)

8:48 pm, October 17, 2013 I've been thinking of how it might be possible to incorporate more than 5 players into the current style of Guild Wars 2 dungeons and came up with the following: - 3 groups of 5 players each (number [..] View

How to Create a Successful MMO (Part 1)

3:16 am, October 17, 2013 Source: http://www.guildwars.com/events/tradeshows/gc2007/gcspeech.php Jeff Strain, one of the three founders of ANet, was asked to make a speech about how to make an MMO. I would like to provide a f [..] View

Change to ArenaNet "Personal Attack" moderation policy

3:16 am, October 17, 2013 A post has been put out by Martin Kerstein, Global Community Manager of ArenaNet. I want to take a moment to give you an update on how we will enforce part of our forum Code of Conduct in the future. [..] View

Paid extra for a head start that seems like Beta.

9:24 am, October 16, 2013 I don't want to be negative, but I'm going to be anyway. I paid extra (paid months early) for a three day head start that feels more like another Beta. The head start is 2/3 over and I still haven't [..] View

A Guide to Blood and Madness

9:16 pm, October 15, 2013 Halloween has returned to Tyria, along with the Mad Kingbut a new menace has emerged to threaten both the Mad Realm and our world! Magister Tassi needs your help to keep everyone alive long enough to [..] View

Release Notes for Blood and Madness

9:16 pm, October 15, 2013 Edrick was a monster, he brought his family shame So the locked him in a box, mouth stuffed with candy corn But now the son has risen to take his fathers name Beware the Bloody Prince, the son of [..] View

Allowing anyone into any level of fractals: WRONG

7:08 am, October 15, 2013 Ok now. After three failed pugs at fractals level 14(!) in a row, i'm done pugging in fractals. Why? Because there are level 1's jumping in there without agony resist, with greens, with no clue wtf th [..] View

Dragon Bash Items Available in the Gem Store!

11:22 am, October 14, 2013 The Dragon Bash celebration has begun, and The Black Lion Trading Company has created some all-new items to help commemorate the event! Were pleased to bring you a free accessory item, some shiny [..] View

GW2 launch times - Official word off of GW2 website.

6:52 am, October 13, 2013 Pre-Purchase with 3-Day Headstart: Everyone who pre-purchased Guild Wars 2 will enjoy three full days of Headstart Access. The three-day Headstart Access will officially begin at 0:00 AM Pacific time [..] View

Anyone else feeling a little burnt out from this game?

5:55 pm, October 12, 2013 I'll try and make this short... I'm not gonna lie; I rushed to level 80 with my first toon (female human mesmer), blasted through the story and a good chunk of PvE content, excluding all but three du [..] View

Banned for using Combat Mod

4:51 pm, October 12, 2013 This guy got banned for using the combat mod.  Guess they do ban for using it. Banned for using Combat Mod Found the response to this by ANet .. Guess Combat mod was not the only [..] View

All this karma, what do?

4:01 pm, October 8, 2013 So here I am, a Thief with many thousand Karma, and wondering what to spend it on. What sort of karma merchants are out and about in the world? I know of the Ebonhawke weapons vendor at Ebonhawke, t [..] View

So, what's all this then?

2:23 pm, October 7, 2013 First: (from facebook) We had a great day at gamescom today! We met lots of fans and had fantastic conversations with you all. We really appreciate your love and support and for coming out to speak w [..] View

Legendary Weapon - I can't decide if I really want one. Do you?

2:24 pm, October 5, 2013 FYI.  This is not a post about the cost of precursors.  It is a general discussion about the reality of obtaining a Legendary weapon. I have been debating if I rea [..] View

Importance of daily achievements

6:28 am, October 5, 2013 Daily achievements are very important in game, so current plans to fiddle with it are worrying. 1) Daily achievement provide alternative to rested xp found in other games and were kinda supposed to b [..] View

An idea

3:53 am, October 5, 2013 Let's take combat and general mechanics of GW 2(dodges, self heals, ...) and something to it. I think, and I can see that is general consensus, that GW 2 is too bland. Meh prototype, what can you do.. [..] View

Human And Norn Favoritism. Why?

1:19 am, October 5, 2013 I honestly can't figure out why so many people play humans and norn. I would like to think that people would be more interested in playing other races more after only being able to play humans in GW1 [..] View

Guilds across worlds

2:19 pm, October 4, 2013 I think its generally well accepted that the way guilds have been implemented in GW2 isn't perfect.  The lack of halls, initial membership cap of 50, etc. all seem to have been at le [..] View

Frost and Flame Finale - Why 13 Days?

1:40 pm, October 4, 2013 So far we've had a month for each stage of FaF, and previous content rolled over into the next stage so it could be completed at a very leisurely pace. One of the things GW2 fans were excited about b [..] View

Am I doing something wrong?

4:44 am, October 4, 2013 So I'm new to GW2 but not to the franchise. I invested I think somewhere around 1055 hours on the first game and I loved every minute of it. I decided that since I had some time this summer I'd try th [..] View

Now Open! Super Adventure Box

3:18 am, October 4, 2013 Enter a world of challenging fun and sweet graphics! Do you have what it takes to get through THREE AWESOME LEVELS of platforms, puzzles, and pests? Open the Super Adventure Box and find out! From Apr [..] View

Nov 15th: Reversed principles, Incompetence, or Both?

1:14 am, October 4, 2013 We all know the kafuffle about gear grind, ascended gear, etc. We know what's been said, we know what we've seen in game. We know it's just the start. So, my question is this: Does the ascended ge [..] View

Need help: I really **** as a player!

11:50 pm, October 3, 2013 I first picked this game up on the pre-order early access.  I have since made many characters (one of every class) and got three of them (Ranger, Elementalist and Mesmer) into mid-le [..] View

Prelaunch MAY start 3 hours early

11:20 pm, October 3, 2013 http://www.guildwars2guru.com/ go down to post below picture. Pre-Purchase with 3-Day Headstart: Everyone who pre-purchased Guild Wars 2 will enjoy three full days of Headstart Access. The three-day H [..] View

Fashionables New Items in the Gem Store!

10:02 pm, October 3, 2013 The Bazaar of the Four Winds is finished, the Zephyrites have signed their deal and flown away and the Queens Jubilee is in full sway! The Black Lion Trading Company is getting into the celebrato [..] View

Order Armors

9:01 pm, October 3, 2013 Does anyone have or know where to get pics of the three different Orders armor? The GW2DB doesn't have pictures of them and I want to see (and I assume others will as well) before joining a specific O [..] View

Queens Jubilee Release Notes

7:10 pm, October 3, 2013 Divinitys Reach is hosting a magnificent celebration! Her Majesty Queen Jennah of Kryta is commemorating the tenth year of her rule and using the occasion to celebrate the triumph of humanity over the [..] View

Why I'm probably quitting the game after only a few weeks

11:56 am, October 3, 2013 Just a quick background on myself. I consider myself the casual gamer that ArenaNet said would especially love this game (MMO Manifesto). I have a PS3. Ive played popular games like Skyrim and Assassi [..] View

Where do you buy Order armor?

12:10 am, October 3, 2013 Orders of Vigil, Whispers, my character is Priory, haven't made an alt yet, which is unusual for me. I see people talking about buying armor that your order sells, but not sure where to get them.& [..] View

Nothing Legendary About Invulnerable

11:54 pm, October 2, 2013 Did CoF route three for first time and had a good time. Made it through the muck, fought the waves of spawns, and made to Burntclaw's island. That's where a Legendary creature became very underwhelmin [..] View

Colin Johanson on Guild Wars 2 in the Months Ahead

8:08 pm, October 2, 2013 Happy 2013 everyone! I wanted to take the time to provide insight on some of the exciting features, events, and stories we intend to bring to Guild Wars 2 in the first half of the New Year. Its been a [..] View

An unexpected gift from ANET.

7:41 pm, October 2, 2013 Okay so today I got an email from ANET stating that since I had the 1032 error (character stuck in a world transfer) during the three day head start, they were giving me a free upgrade to the digital [..] View

What Is Up With Runes That Proc On Hit?

11:36 am, October 2, 2013 What is up with this rune mechanics? Why is there so many runes that give you bonuses when you GET hit? The whole point of being good at this game is to dodge so that you DON'T get hit. Looking at gw [..] View

Problems with FotM

11:25 am, October 2, 2013 I started running FotM last week and am having some issues.  I seem to be really, really bad at them and could use some tips.  I'm running them in PUGs. Worst one [..] View

Guild Wars 2 and Progression

9:58 am, October 2, 2013 The recent fiasco on Ascended items has prompted me to pop out of lurking, so I typed up a lengthy blurb on the state of progression in Guild Wars 2. Hopefully this can spiral into some meaningful and [..] View

Dungeons and fotw - disconnects and bugs getting worse?

9:41 am, October 2, 2013 I've been running dungeons and fotm for a while now and I noticed that there seems to be no decrease in bugginess and people disconnecting for no apparent reason. I was running AC yesterday and both [..] View

Guild Wars 2: From Excitement to Frustration

3:58 am, October 2, 2013 This will be a long post. There is a TL;DR at the bottom if you're not invested in reading a lot. ------- I am a hardcore MMO player, as I'm sure some of you are as well. I hold this title because I [..] View

Keg Brawl best brawl

12:11 am, October 2, 2013 So I just had the absolute most fun I've had in Guild Wars 2 since release. My friend and I went walking around looking for activities to do while we were waiting and remembered about Keg Brawl. So [..] View

New Hair Styles and More in the Gem Store!

9:16 pm, October 1, 2013 The year turns on, Caithe and the Lionguard are busy trying to infiltrate Scarlets new secret base, and Halloween approaches! This weeks offerings from the Black Lion Trading post have a little so [..] View

Check Out the ESL GuildWars2 Opening Cup Finals this Sunday!

8:22 pm, October 1, 2013 Watch the epic conclusion of the ESL Guild Wars 2 Opening Cup finals live on Twitch TV on Sunday, Sept 15. Three teams of seasoned Guild Wars 2 PvP players have fou [..] View

All Three Champion Dragon Encounters (Shatterer,Tequatl,CoJ)

7:16 pm, October 1, 2013 Hey guys! I was going through some clips, and found that I had all three clips from all three dragon encounters that is currently available, not including story quest dragons! So I decided to compile [..] View

No Mercy Community Cup is here!

6:40 pm, October 1, 2013 http://tinyurl.com/qhphxcv Who doesn't like explosions? Subject Register today, the No Mercy Community Cup is here! This is your official invitation to the first ever No Mercy Community Cup present [..] View

Bazaar of the Four Winds Revealed, Coming July 9th

6:05 pm, October 1, 2013 https://www.guildwar...s/july-09-2013/ New EventsBelchers Bluff Mini-game: Players can put their Omnomberry Juice drinking skills to the test in this new, permanent mini-game, and challenge their fri [..] View

Release Notes for June 11 Dragon Bash

5:55 pm, October 1, 2013 LIVING WORLDDragon Bash The Ship’s Council of Lion’s Arch is sponsoring Dragon Bash, a celebration of the Tyrian spirit and resolve to defeat the elder dragons. Bash on dragon pia [..] View

A Guide to Dragon Bash

5:10 pm, October 1, 2013 Hello, fellow Dragon Bashers! Want to know where to go and how to get started with the celebration? Read on! Spoiler-Free Mini Guide Spoiler-Free New Items and Rewards Spoiler-Free New Achievemen [..] View

Short Story: WhatScarletSaw

3:39 pm, October 1, 2013 Professor Omadd, Headmaster Emeritus of the College of Synergetics, anxiously twisted his ear as he waited for the sylvari woman to wake. She had been thrashing violently in the isolation module for d [..] View

Thoughts on Aggro

2:46 pm, October 1, 2013 I am aware that no one knows exactly how aggro works but would like to get some input all the same. I have a guild mate who plays Ranger that pulls a disproportionate amount of aggro. & [..] View

Super Adventure Box - World 1 all zones walkthrough (speed run)

2:30 pm, October 1, 2013 WARNING - This thread contains SPOILERS about the SAB Tribulation Mode Hi guys, I've done three videos of the World 1 zones played through in Tribulation Mode. I've tried to cut out all the unneces [..] View

Transmutation Stones for Feet

1:41 pm, October 1, 2013 So, I bought the tier 1 Sylvari racial armor because I think it is gorgeous... I've gone through three pairs of shoes and I STILL cannot find a pair of decent boots that will allow me to transmute the [..] View

Black Friday Sale at Black Lion Trading Company

12:41 pm, October 1, 2013 https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/black-lion-trading-company-weekend-sales/ QuoteThe Black Lion Trading Company is celebrating the biggest shopping day of the year with a Black Friday sale of their [..] View

Teleport hacking in vogue again?

12:04 pm, October 1, 2013 First -  This is not a ***** and moan post. I've been away for over a month (playing other games, still love GW2, but too many games, too little time).  When I las [..] View

Hero's band

11:47 am, October 1, 2013 Did anyone else have an issue today with this item.  I got it fine on a couple of toons, but one toon had three in her mail, and another didn't have any.  but the o [..] View

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